Nicolaou,
Here are two examples.
IBSA links to Chicago Bible Students- Here are some books they sell.
https://chicagobible.org/product-category/books/
IBSA links to Bible students.com
oncebitten
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1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations
by Sea Breeze inquote from that world wide resolution: .
that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.
this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.
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1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations
by Sea Breeze inquote from that world wide resolution: .
that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.
this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.
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oncebitten
I've already told you that they are owned BY the WATCHTOWER. They have links to sites who are selling the publications. While it may be legal due to copyright laws- it is certainly NOT ok for Jws to mix with apostates or is it? I dont know what it is that you are not comprehending.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
Vanderhoven7,
Yes ok. As we see from the above WT quotes that is the teaching. Crazy huh? I suppose that SOMETHING had to be made up by the WT to teach about Ro 6:7 to the r &f since they deny them the gift of being born again. Once agin they seem to counting on the JW not ever reading this verse in context. How sad this is?
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
Cut and paste the quote you selcted into the posting box you normally type in for your postings. Then highlight what you just pasted. Then click the quotations icon (third from left)
Got that part, but how do i get out of the quote box to reply? lol
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This is a no brainer
by oncebitten inthe insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.
however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.
instead we see clear bias in the nwt.
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oncebitten
One thing about the NT insertion of Jehovah is the J-notes. Very hypocritical bias using those!
tetragrammaton.org does a good job.
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This is a no brainer
by oncebitten inthe insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.
however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.
instead we see clear bias in the nwt.
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oncebitten
Hi Phizzy,
Yes, I agree. I know the arguments as well. But this one in particular takes prayer away from the Lord Jesus- when it's clear who the apostles prayed to is Him. Jesus chose his apostles. The WT couldnt handle prayer to Him although Jesus told them to pray to Him.
Same is true with Stephen- interlinear has invocation or prayer in the footnote
It is also clear that Jesus answered Paul's prayer in Acts 9:11 and gave him the vision of Ananias to regain his sight.
How many times do we need to see this before we realize Jesus is prayed to and answers prayers/ Once should be enough for us- otherwise it idolatrous. YET, we can clearly see it if we dont make excuses.
Also, in the WT interlinear they claim to be consistent with how they translate a word. NOT TRUE AT ALL! No wonder my family has been told not to use their own interlinear anymore. They were told it will cause confusion!
It amazes me how a Jw is taught to shun their Lord, Jesus. I remember shaking and being terrified when I first called on the name of Jesus ( it only says that a million times in the NT).. but I was taught it was awful! I prayed and asked Jehovah if it would be ok if I just talked with Jesus for one minute. hands were literally shaking. From then on I knew it was perfectly good and my fears were released ! We can have fellowship with the Father and the Son. 1 John
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
Someone teach me how to quote on here?
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
BY TonusOH
To me, both statements are saying the same thing. If Adam's sin is what condemned humanity, then Jesus's sacrifice is what saved it. By balancing the scales to negate the cost of Adam's sin, he has given humanity a path for the expiation of their own.
Hi Tonus, There is a vast difference between the two. Do you suppose that we are not accountable for the lives we live today because Adam's sin is covered? Of course not, right?
The way to truly appreciate what Jesus did for us is very personal. He died for our sins. YOUR SINS too! If you face your own sins and are convicted by the Holy Spirit and feel guilt and repent and confess them and receive the Lord Jesus' suffering and death for YOUR forgiveness.. that is the beginning of a relationship with Him! You are washed in His blood! You can know that. He will not cast you out. As you go through life, He will help you! Ask him to show you your sins because He will- and He will help you to overcome them. It's a lifestyle with Him as your shepherd. Pray often! He will stick closer than a brother to you. It's not about a birthday cake!
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
I havent figured out how to quote anyone on here yet. So this is for everyone who replied.
I did some digging! As much as it pains my heart to read these.. it proves that my sister was correct in her understanding of WT teachings. I dont know if two things are tought simulaneously or not. You would think that something this important would be well understood! Anyway,. here are the quotes I found.
One from 1973 and one from 1995. Apparently, the below is still taught as she was not a Jw in 95. She a stickler who keeps up with "new light". Romans 6:7 IS NOT ABOUT OUR PHYSICAL DEATH! Wow. just wow. Read these quotes--
What of those, then, who will be resurrected during Jesus' thousand year reign? Must these too, come into the city of refuge and remain there until the "death of the high priest"? No. For these have paid the penalty for thier sinfulness by their own death. (Rom.6:7) They have been aquitted of sin by going down to the common grave of mankind. On coming forth from death, they are now standing on the road that leads, not i not the antitypical city of refuge, but into life verlasting. - The Watchtower, 5/15/73, page 312
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Must those resurrected during Jesus' thousand year reign enter the antitypical city of refuge and remain there until the death of the high priest? No, because by dying they paid for their sinfulness. (Romans 6:7, Heb 9:27) Neverthless, the high priest will help bring them to perfection. If they successfully pass the final test after the Millenium, God will also declare them righteous with a guarantee of eternal life on earth.- The Watchtower 11/15/95, page 19
That is INSANE! Does WT ever read in CONTEXT? Read chapter 6 in Romans! Ro 6:7 is speaking of a figurative death- DEATH to SIN. Oh the twisting of cherry picked verses......!!
When I have more time I will lay out the chapter, so we can easily see why WT is very wrong here.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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oncebitten
I agree with what you've said. I just have a question though. If the org has gotten new light saying Jesus died for our sins and not just Adam's, wouldn't that have been a big deal? Did I misunderstand you?
Here we have someone going door to door teaching this rubbish to others. It is a self atonement! I heard from one person who told me it is a mangling of Romans 6 where Paul is speaking about new birth and how believers die with Christ.
This Jw is in very good standing and is not a stupid person and puts a lot of time and energy into WT publications and service.